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When Koko Joe was right

by zars
Sun Aug 19th, 2250 at 23:48:46 EDT

Our lovely Permanent Representative is a controversial figure around here for a quite a few reasons, and this post isn't meant to start a flame war at all, I just wanted to share a time that we all agreed with Koko on something. Here's him completely destroying the long dead Queen of the Separatists:

The Dem party has worked hard to move passed the legacy of Chairperson Zhang-Bryan. Many party purges were done to get former Zhang-Bryanite loyalists out of our leadership and roles within the party. We have worked hard to abandon the Independence movement that we were formerly associated with. We have been supported by and support our blue helmets on the ground across the solar system.

Let me make this clear. Our belief is similar to that of many people of the South Pole, in that we stand with the UN. We do not seek independence from the UN or Earth. We seek to help the UN end the Belter threat and to work with them to deal with the problem of intersolar crime rings and financial crimes. Now, our proposal for relations with the UN, is in fact, more supportive of sticking with them then leaving them.

We stand for a policy of One UN, Two systems. We do not propose leaving the UN, but rather making ourselves equal to Earth in the UN's governance, a similar arrangement to that of Luna or Venus. Mars has proven to be as capable of self-government as those other planets, but is still loyal to the UN and Earth. Mars cannot be without the UN and vice versa.

Funny thing is, I liked that version of Joe a lot better than the current one. You can kinda see a big part of the liar he would end up as in this quote ("Many party purges were done to get former Zhang-Bryanite loyalists out of our leadership" uh, I think you forgot one...), which is why I wanted to start some discussion about it. Do y'all still consider him the only good SIGMACRAT, or are we remembering why we don't trust politicians?

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When Koko Joe was right | 121 comments (121 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

I liked the old Koko better (none / 1)

"Funny thing is, I liked that version of Joe better than the current one."

Me too. This was one reason why I was fine voting for the Dem party list in my region. If they were platforming someone sensible like Koko Joe who was willing to disagree with key leadership on certain issues, then it would make sense that they would be working for everyone.

Unfortunately, sometime after the election Koko got his spine removed and just sat on Earth as the Dems screwed everything up. My mistake.

Never give up on the Dream

by Go Vegetarian on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 23:52:38 EDT

I'd be laughing if this werent sadly true (none / 0)

What happened to Koko?

I remember that even in that forced apology, he was talking about how he was "from the unionist wing of that party, which believes in the vision of the UN". Would current Koko Joe admit that the SIGMACRAT leadership doesn't believe in the humanitarian vision of the UN? He had to have made some kind of deal with Janssen to get that UN position.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely I guess

by flipperfan72 on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 23:55:27 EDT
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Please be reasonable (none / 1)

It's easy to cherry-pick old statements and call someone a liar, but let's look at this in context. The fact is that Koko has never wavered in his support for the United Nations, he's just busy actaully helping integrate Mars into the UN system (which most people on this forum never will)

Yes, he might have been exaggerating when he talked about the party purges, but for some reason people here will freak out that Koko isn't actively hitting Janssen with a mallet instead of actually looking at the subtext in what he said. There's a clear force in the Democratic Party fighting for Unionism, and people here completely ignore that just because of how their current platform is worded. Not everything has to be twisted to support Veren, guys!

by DreamOfABetterWorld on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 23:56:01 EDT
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Never wavered? (none / 1)

Come on, he had his hick brother represent him in the assembly and Clement ended up voting for KILL along with starting that crypto-separatist """Security and Defense Committee"
Notice how they never justified who we're defending from. And don't get cute and say the Belt, the burgers are practically occupied and nowhere close to Mars.

"You folks, just think about your own history; don't bother analyzing Elysian society, just accept what we tell you about it."

by Maoism-Wilkingtonism on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 01:41:03 EDT
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Complete this sentence for me (none / 0)

Two Planets, _________
Should be easy, if you Dems are all actually closet Unionists? Certainly wouldn't expect you guys to not be able to follow the Basic Law in that case...

by GodIsInHisHeaven on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 09:50:20 EDT
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FLIP FLOPS (none / 0)

And they accuse Veren of changing his mind on CAGE?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Janssen herself who promised to have him "dealt with" while singing a brutal civil war song to her goons? It's horrible to see the double standard in the media about Veren like that. It's like they almost want another 2 years of SIGMACRATIC rule...

"The longest journey begins with the first step. And that first step is electing Usage Veren." -- Leonard Culver, 8/15/2250

by Dr Dive on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 10:27:34 EDT
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They've replaced him since then, no? (none / 0)

I think there's a new one walking around on Mars while they keep the good Joe confined to Earth. Maybe one of the UN-DEM agreements? Would make sense why they keep having various family members cover for him before they get killed.

Thought I am interested in what his crazy little brother is doing with that calendar.

Heck, if he leaves the party I'll vote for him!

by writerXarl on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 10:51:21 EDT
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OK.. the Joekers are out in full force today (none / 0)

I guess the Elysian troll farms got a boost in that budget that they're working on. I've never seen this many Democrat shills in one thread since the CAGE debacle in May.
Sad to see, this forum used to be so good too.

Sectoralism is a declaration of war against the entire human race. We receive it eagerly, and we engage accordingly.

by RealHumanitarian on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 23:52:59 EDT

Well, (none / 1)

I think calling Koko a liar is more than a bit too far

It's important to at least be kind to political figures who are actually working for our beliefs.

Also, I object to the entire basis of this article, because it's a way to try and tear down Koko without admitting it. I will admit that I'm biased as a Democratic voter but I don't want this to be a "dunk on the Democrats" session. Despite what people pretend here, the Democrats are the largest Liberal Unionist party on Mars, and it's best to support them.

What am I doing on DailyZars? I'm Running for the Dems...

by MartianFreedom on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 23:56:47 EDT

Quick question! (none / 0)

How many systems?

by YoungTurk on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 00:03:17 EDT
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Go Fuck Yourself. (none / 0)

Do you understand why I might be a bit mad about this wholly unconstructive comment?
Every single time that people try to defend the Democrats here, they get unreasonably attacked by annoying TROLLS constantly saying "oh how many systems? how many systems?"
Nobody ever stops to think about all that the Democrats are doing to stand arm-in-arm with the United Nations. Everybody here wants to be completely subservient and it makes me sick. I want Mars to stand on its own with the United Nations as an equal partner, and that's what I voted for, that's what the Samsara caucus is fighting for.

What am I doing on DailyZars? I'm Running for the Dems...

by MartianFreedom on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 00:05:46 EDT
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HOLY FUCK (none / 0)

THEY CAN'T EVEN SAY HOW MANY SYSTEMS

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Admins can we mute this user for not understanding the Basic Law of the Transitional Authority?

Outside Autonomism - home of Large Justice Fever!

by HubaHuba on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 00:28:48 EDT
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arm-in-arm (none / 0)

do you understand... anything?

We aren't trying to stand "arm-in-arm" with the UN, that implies that we're a separate entity to them.

We want to be a fully fledged UN member dude. Are you seriously advocating for separatism in the Unionist forum? What are you trying to do here?

Mark

subvert the dominant paradigm

by Balthier on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 00:44:10 EDT
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LOL (none / 0)

We've got Joekers who don't even know the Basic Law. Gonna wager a bet that the Dems won uneducated voters last election because of all this.
I can't wait until Abe isn't in power to shoot people for introducing CAGE so we can finally deal with you people.

by AllAboard on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 05:45:27 EDT
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Ummm... (none / 0)

Are you actually defending the CAGE act? I thought the line here was that your guy was just "supporting its consideration and working for a compromise"...
If you people actually like the lobotomy bill that's... really scary.

by DreamOfABetterWorld on Mon Aug 19th, 2250 at 05:53:31 EDT
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When Koko Joe was right | 121 comments (121 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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